Jewel and Jinx's medical thread

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:29 am


Ditto on the glad they found no stones. Can you get chlorhexidine? If the source of the infection was outside the body, cleaning the sutures with a chlorhexidine solution like Erin advised with neuters on this page may help them heal better. There is additional info on sutures further down the page too.
http://www.guinealynx.info/postop.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:22 pm


Okay, has anyone experienced this? We have taken Jinx out of her cage 4 times since getting home. And on each occasion her tummy has been very wet by urine. We gently pull her skin and it is slow to return so am syringing water into her until vet opens.

She is eating and pooping and finally surgical site has stopped bleeding. I just don't understand why she is peeing and sitting in it. I think going to the vet freaked her out again even though I was there the whole time and we were only separated for 45 minutes. And she was sedated for most of them.

Lynx, vet said no infection as found no white cells. I will wait till the surgical site calms down a bit then will bathe with salt and water.

Any advice much appreciated! Vets open at 8.30am and it is 2.50am now. Thanks Lynx for the reply! And yes it is wee as no red on white towel.

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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:24 pm


How much meloxicam is she on? What strength? And how often?

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:33 pm


That’s a thought - maybe getting a little loopy from the pain meds.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:40 pm


That was my thought -- effects of sedation and/or pain meds.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:50 pm


She is getting point 0.3 twice a day. She has cat's 0.5 strength Meloxicam. Vet said it is normal as sedation gas still in system and may take 24 hours to get out her system. Has quite a few dogs and cats who do same thing.

Funny thing is she moving around to eat but not when she pees. We are in Winter would it be safe to give a bath? She is really on the nose.

Vet said wait till tonight if still doing it make an appointment and bring her in. At least her poops are normal. Thanks for the replies Bookfan, ItsaZoo and Sef.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:02 am


I don’t think I’d do a full bath. Maybe a little butt bath would be okay but I would keep the rest of her dry.

When mine was ill she had stinky pants. I mixed shampoo and water in a spray bottle and gave her a butt spray, then rinsed with the sink sprayer and got her dry right away.

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:55 pm


Thanks for the reply ItsaZoo! Okay, how can piggy get wet with pee but bedding be dry? Going to vet today. May stop Meloxicam and she how she goes! Keep you posted!

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:39 am


Got back from vet. Urine tested and looked under microscope. Urine was very milky and like Jill's very alkaline. Jinx's pee had small amount of blood in it. Though white towels are always clean.

Under microscope however was a different story. My husband also had a look. The vet and my husband said it looked like she had what looked like bugs and were wiggling in the pee.

So for a week Jinx is on 0.1mls of Bactrim twice a day. Vet said it stinks-Bactrim, but when he gave Jinx her first dose Jinx tried to eat syringe as well she loves the Bactrim so much. To me smells like strawberry.

He tested the flow of pee and that was normal. There were no crystals in pee or sludge. So it seems Jinx has bladder infection. Urine was collected vet manipulated Jinx's bladder and husband caught pee in specimen jar. So hopefully after this Jinx can rest for a while!

First blood in pee, then a stone, then a lump and now bladder infection. Poor little mite! Will keep you posted! Only good thing was stone disappeared/passed!

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:59 am


The vet and my husband said it looked like she had what looked like bugs and were wiggling in the pee.
This sounds very unusual! I hope things clear up completely.

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:13 am


This sounds very unusual! I hope things clear up completely.

Vet just said bacterial infection and she had wiggling bugs. He offered me to have a look but with my bad eyes I thought it best not too! Wish I had now! Thanks Lynx.

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:40 am


UTI isn't uncommon as a secondary issue with bladder stones. Hopefully she will do well on Bactrim.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 am


You would not read about it Jewel, Jinx's biological sister now has blood in urine. Have booked her in for Monday! I just can't believe the bad luck we are having!!! Feel like screaming. Keep you posted.

Bookfan
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:41 pm


I'm sorry you're dealing with this. One sick piggie is hard enough, two is really difficult

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:55 pm


I'm sorry you're dealing with this. One sick piggie is hard enough, two is really difficult
Actually we have 3. Jinx and Jewel, and Jill to whom we think age is catching up with her. She'll be 6 in December. Been hand feeding her since January this year. If we don't she starts to lose weight.

She's had test all clear, thinks she just needs a little helping paw. She lost her sister Jupiter February 2017, other sister Jaffa December 2019. And her chat buddy through the barrier Joy January 2020. Think losing all her friends and relatives have knocked her around or upset her.

Now on the matter of bladder stones one of the vets Jinx has seen feels that urine is to0 alkaline like alkaline starts at 7.1 as 7.0 is neutral, Jinx and Jill's urine was 9 or more,now this is normal for a guinea pig BUT he feels if their pee was a little more acid like 7-8 then their pee could break down stones and flush them out but more importantly if their pee was 7-8 there would be less stones.

And he said you can't over dose a piggy on Vitamin C as (a) they can't make their own and (b) what they don't need they'll pee out. What do you all think? Vet sees mainly dogs, cats, wildlife, farm animals but does see and know some about guinea pigs! Thanks Bookfan for the reply!

Bookfan
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:05 pm


As I read that I was thinking about the urine business - we've dealt with a lot of stone pigs & I've never had a vet mention acidity or whatever. That doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Give Jill a scritch for me & tell her I'm sorry for all her losses. :-( (Did I get the right pig?)

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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm


I already responded earlier that it IS possible to over-dose vitamin C. This vet is wrong about that. Higher doses over a period of time can cause what is known as pseudo-scurvy when the amount of C is suddenly lowered again.

On urine alkalinity, there is no way to reliably or consistency reduce guinea pig urine pH. Lowering overall calcium in the diet might help, as I also pointed out, but it may not. The higher the alkalinity, the greater the likelihood of crystals, sludge and calcium carbonate stone formation, so it's something to be aware of. At the very least, I'd cut out any pellets that contain calcium carbonate (also sometimes listed on the bag as Limestone). I can't remember if you already looked at that.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:49 am


(Did I get the right pig?)
Yes you did get the right pig! She says wheek! Thanks for the scratch!
I already responded earlier that it IS possible to over-dose vitamin C. This vet is wrong about that. Higher doses over a period of time can cause what is known as pseudo-scurvy when the amount of C is suddenly lowered again.

On urine alkalinity, there is no way to reliably or consistency reduce guinea pig urine pH. Lowering overall calcium in the diet might help, as I also pointed out, but it may not. The higher the alkalinity, the greater the likelihood of crystals, sludge and calcium carbonate stone formation, so it's something to be aware of. At the very least, I'd cut out any pellets that contain calcium carbonate (also sometimes listed on the bag as Limestone). I can't remember if you already looked at that.
I was only telling you what the vet said. An opinion that's all. As for the pellets we are on Oxbow Adult pellets as it is either Oxbow or rabbit and guinea pig pellets. We do not get KMS(?) Did I get the name right? I bought one once from USA and it never got pass customs. I contacted KMS and they said they have no intentions at the present time to come to Australia and that was around 6 years ago and still not here!

As to diet I am current pricing how much to grow grass in the front yard. We only have dirt. To grow cat grass for 5 piggies I would need around 50 pots plus seeds a total of around $350.00. There is a guy my husband use to get grass from but I know it is silly but I just feel that grass is bad luck!

We got the grass and with in 3 months we lost Jan Nov 2018 to ear infection-she got 85% of the grass. Then we got it again and gave 85% to Jaffa, Joy and Jill. We lost Jaffa Dec 2019 to what we think were dental issues. Then we lost Joy Jan 2020 due to fluid and heart issues. So far and hope it stays that way Jill is OK.

Do you think we should get the grass again? Diet would then be grass, lettuce(Oak red/green), Cos(Romaine) lettuce, carrot, cucumber, tomato, celery, with the Oxbow pellets and Timothy hay and meadow hay(pasture). The guy does have dogs but said dogs can't get to the grass and I always wash it before the girls get to it.

Thanks for the replies Bookfan and Sef! As I have stated each pig gets a pinch 3 times a day on their food(Vitamin C). Hoping this is not too much!

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:20 am


Daisymay, I hope everyone goes into recovery mode for you. That's a lot to handle, even for someone with all the experience you have taking care of your piggies.

I grow cat grass indoors in the winter and the kind I have looks like oats. Maybe you can buy in bulk and save on the cost of the seed.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:31 am


When we grow indoors we get little flying bugs. This is the cat grass we can get. https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/11700/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Cat+grass&_sop=15 Thinking of buying cheap green house for them so can go outside. Like this one. https://www.bunnings.com.au/naturallife-59-x-39-x-126cm-3-tier-greenhouse_p3321075 Three or four of these might do the trick.
Also thinking of buying this https://www.bunnings.com.au/rite-gro-1kg-lawn-seed_p2961951 Front lawn just dirt at present time. Back yard gravel.

How do you grow enough grass for your pigs to last all year round? Currently have 10 pots and that only lasts 3 days a week then have to wait till they grow again. Usually 4 weeks.

Touching wood, Jinx is improving and loving the Bactrim. No blood overnight for Jewel. And Jill is enjoying biting her daddy slave's neck. Thanks for the reply ItsaZoo.

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