Jan's Toothy Smile medical thread

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:02 am


There is a saying, "Trust but verify." As pet owners (and even when it comes to our own meds), it behooves us to double-check meds and doses because doctors don't always get it right.

Benazepril has a wide range of effectiveness for rodents at 0.05mg/kg to .25mg/kg. You can calculate the dose using Lynx's dose calculator here:
http://www.guinealynx.info/calculate_dose.html
You would need to know your pig's weight, the dose that your vet wants to use within that range, and the strength/concentrate of the drug you were given.


[ETA: Please be reminded of Lynx's rules of the forum on spelling and punctuation. Excessive exclamation points makes posts hard to read]

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:16 am


[ETA: Please be reminded of Lynx's rules of the forum on spelling and punctuation. Excessive exclamation points makes posts hard to read]

I was angry at the time of posting and apologise for them! But what about people in the USA who use a Z instead of a S like in realise or the missing letter U like in flavour. This makes it hard for me to read! I don't complain.

As to working out correct dose for ones pigs not every one was/is good at maths! Now a person spends years training to be a vet, they use Internet and calculator to work out dosage. Well forgive me if I am dumb enough to trust them to be able to use these tools! And besides this I had asked 2 other vets whether the dose was right and they both said it was!

I do NOT trust them in treating guinea pigs but in medication and dose rate 7 out of 10 vets I trust! Same as I trust my doctor of 40 years. Forgive me for being born in a time where trust and respect were important(60 years ago!)

I come on here for help and advice and try to help others where I can. I have never criticised anyone! I have always tried to help and be kind and calming when I reply to a post.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:28 pm


I'm sorry if you interpreted my comment as some sort of personal attack, but my point was simply that mistakes can and do happen -- particularly with less savvy vets who may not have the most up-to-date or accurate dosing information for exotics. This is precisely why Lynx lists drug information and has that dose calculator on the site. Even the most knowledgeable vet or doctor can get it wrong once in a while. Again, trust but verify.

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Post   » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:10 pm


Also keep in mind that this site is not infallible. Drug dosage can change over time (new information). Some of the discussions I have had online recently have pointed out that my info is not completely up to date (Guinea Lynx has been online for 20 years).

Most importantly, how has your guinea pig responded to that dose? If you are not seeing problems and perhaps even seeing improvements, it may be appropriate for your guinea pig.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:32 pm


The higher dose was having no ill affect and she was actually gaining weight. Now on the lower dose she has lost or maintained her weight. Going to vet tomorrow to have chest listened too so will know either way. Thanks Sef+Lynx.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:59 am


Okay, I am touching wood here, Joy is doing well on the doxy-tummy tolerating it. She is gaining weight and eating 95% of her green food. We hope this will continue. Keep you posted.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:47 am


Thank you for the update. I hope the improvements continue!

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:24 pm


Joy on heart meds now for 4 weeks plus on Doxy(fluid every where) there has been no change in her breathing. So she will be going back to the vet tomorrow. Any suggest again much appreciated. Keep you posted!

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:13 pm


Joy's heart is a worry! It is beating fast and irregular. There is a murmur as well. Vet is looking for other heart meds or upping dose of current ones.

Joy is eating, being hand fed and for now maintaining weight. She turns 7 next month. Thanks for the replies.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:21 am


It has been around 6 weeks since joy saw the vet. At last visit she said she would do some research and get back to me as the heart medication or dose she is on didn't appear to be doing anything as Joy's heart still irregularly beating, and fluid you could hear.

But have not heard from vet but wasn't concerned as joy was doing well! Now not sure if it is this heat wave(all girls inside with air conditioner going), or whether it is a medical problem. Joy's rapid breathing has returned, and when she exhales it's kind of like a jerk/thud.

She also doesn't like her tummy touched so have put her onto Meloxicam incase she is in pain. Her appetite has dropped from 90% down to 30%. She is being hand fed and has been for last 3 years. Joy did turn 7 on Christmas Eve.

On boxing day we moved Jay from Joy and Jay's divided pen and swapped Jay for Jill and put Jay in with Jersey. Could this have upset Joy? Both pens are side by side so Joy can still smell Jay?

I have made an vet appointment for this week just to make sure things haven't gotten worse. Does anyone have any suggestions? I know none of you are vets or medical back grounds. Joy is our first heart pig and this is all new to us! Thanking any replies in advance.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:19 am


I think for some guinea pigs, changes may be stressful. What is the temperature and humidity in their room?

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:43 am


With air conditioner on it feels like 20C in room. Doesn't feel stuffy or humid. If it was I would know as I am easily affected by the heat. Have no way of knowing as have no gauge.

When I switched Jay(girl) for Jill Joy kept all her bedding. Only pen mate changed with barrier between them. I guess I could put them back if it would help Joy. What do you think?

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:12 am


I don't mean to high jack thread but our 7 year old Joy is on heart medication. 0.1ml of Benazepril equals 2mg/ml once a day Flusapex 0.2mls twice a day. Any higher she stops eating. and 0.3mls of Flusapex 0.2mls twice a day.

BUT fluid still there and so is laboured breathing. Funny thing is she is only eating 50% of her food BUT she is gaining weight. Would this be fluid retention? She is seeing vet yet again Friday this week. Any advice and suggestions much appreciated! Joy been on these meds for 6 months. Yes to hand feeding.

New vet trying her best but doesn't see many guinea pigs. X-ray taken around October could see nothing as it was all fluid! Thanking in advance. Sorry for stealing your thread Ali_x86.

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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:35 am


"0.1ml of Benazepril equals 2mg/ml once a day"

Do you mean 0.1ml of Benazepril from a solution with a concentration of 2mg/ml? What is the weight of your guinea pig? If your guinea pig weighed one kilo, that would mean you would be giving 0.2mg/kg.
http://www.guinealynx.info/calculate_dose.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:58 am


If your guinea pig weighed one kilo, that would mean you would be giving 0.2mg/kg.
Joy is 800grams at present. Should read 0.3mls twice a day of Flusapex.

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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:06 am


Without a concentration of the solution, it is not helpful to only add a dosage in mls. To be helpful, we need weight of guinea pig (which you just gave), dosage in ml's or cc's (1 ml=1 cc), and the concentration of the drug in mg/ml (which was not given in the case of the Flusapex or not confirmed in the case of the Benazepril).

Alternatively, saying a guinea pig received a dose of "x" mg per kg (mg/kg) gives the precise amount that can be used to calculate the dosage for another person's guinea pig.

That dose calculator page explains it all.

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:48 am


The bottle says100X10mg/ml Flusapex drops 25mls. Benazepril 2mg/ml mixture give 0.1ml. It is all in Jan and Joy's thread.

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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:56 am


I am unsure what "100X10mg/ml Flusapex drops 25mls" means.

Is the amount you got 25 mls at a concentration of 10mg/ml or is it a bottle of 100 mls at a concentration of 10mg/ml or is it a bottle of 25 mls at 1000mg/ml? (the 1000 mg I got from multiplying 100X10mg)

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:05 am


Can we move this discussion to Joy/Jan's thread? It could get confusing if Daisymay needs to refer back to it later.

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Post   » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:56 am


Any animal that is gaining weight in spite of eating only half their usual food is retaining fluid.

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