Guinea pig losing fur and messy bottom

amyfw

Post   » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:08 pm


Lynx,

I work very very VERY hard to prevent urine scald. She has had it off and on during this. Mostly just fur loss in those areas, no wounds. She does now have bumblefoot because of it. Being treated with silver cream 2x a day plus daily baths and diaper cream for her skin.

I have tried both sub a fluids at Cornell (daily, then every other day then once a week) for the first month but it did t help. I do daily fluids orally now just to keep her hydrated plus wet lettuce and Cukes for the fluids.

The bacteria has changed. I am going to get them wrong but the first was corona something and then trouperella and now two new ones. I didn’t even bother with their names honestly. All of them are supposed to be susceptible to TMS but she has been on TMS 2x a day continuously since the end of January (and correct dose for weight) with no improvement and during this time has always shown signs of a uti (wet and leaky, excessive urine in cage, excessive thirst) which is why I was willing to try new things like D’Mannose and other herbal things to try to flush her out.

She is on fleece bedding with the 2 layers of uhaul pads but I have tried UK vetbed and also guineadad fleece with bamboo just to see if the bedding was somehow infected.

Cornell’s theory is that she is incontinent which causes leaking. Sitting in or near urine causes the bad bacteria to grow and then re enter her urinary tract thus causing an infection. Before they suggested that all the sludge could be harboring the bacteria as well since antibiotics can not penetrate non living things (sludge being non living) but she passed all but a tiny bit of sludge.

Lately I have been reading about bio colonies and bacterial uti colonies in humans and it’s terrifying but also possible that’s what we are dealing with. It’s just hard to determine what will help if anything and to know if she is comfortable and ok throughout all of this.

I am sure I don’t need to explain to this crowd that with bimonthly cultures and ultrasounds that we are in the several thousands of dollars for treatment this year and it’s just frustrating that we can’t find an answer for it.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:41 pm


Do you use a little bleach when you wash the fleece? Do you change it frequently? I was just considering whether the bedding could hold the bacteria and be involved in reinfection.

I am sorry she is having all these problems. You are so diligent!

amyfw

Post   » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:49 pm


I do not use bleach. I was afraid that would ruin the fleece or wash away it’s color. I use vinegar though and wash it 3 times before drying. I am happy to try bleach if you think it will work.

I change the cage in full every 5 days and change out the pee pads she is on and the kitchen area every day. Sometimes twice per day.

The fleece seems to be very quick wicking which is good but she often lays in her hay and hay seems to be terrible at absorbing. I change the hay out at least 3 times per day, often 4 times.

I stay at home full time so I am able to give meds, force feed when needed, and change her bedding at all hours. I need to remind myself that I have kept her going with a pretty good quality of life (there were a few times in there that were touch and go) but mostly all positive for 6 months which is a long time in piggie years.

I still wish I could find something to help though. I may try the proin syrup and see if that works. The hope is that if she dries up then the meds can kill all the bacteria sitting in her bladder and she can be free of the uti.

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Post   » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:39 pm


Fleece is nearly indestructible, and the color goes all the way through the fiber. You won't hurt it at all by using bleach on it.

amyfw

Post   » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:28 pm


Anyone know how to post pics? I want to post one of butterscotch and caramel baby as well as their cage set up so you can let me know if you see anything of alarm that could be causing the uti.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:13 pm


There are directions for posting pics in the Feedback forum and I think also in the FAQ (see link above left). You find a site like imgur to host them and then post a link to the pics.

The bleach would be very diluted. It is extremely effective at killing bacteria. If the fleece had an odor, that would be an indicator of bacteria present that was not removed by simple washing.

amyfw

Post   » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:17 pm


I am going to try bleach this week and see if it helps. Thanks all. I am a,so starting the proin tomorrow and will let you know if it helps or not.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:42 am


Reading through this and I must say that you are dealing with a lot of issues with this guinea pig. All I can say is stick with it. One thing you said that has me thinking was about the floor time. Do you just put her down on the open floor and let her have the run of the room if she chooses or is there some kind of enclosure? I ask because piggies are known to freeze in one spot if they feel insecure. Also is there some place she can hide in or play in? A fleece forrest or a tunnel is effective for both purposes. Do you have toys and things in with her? Little stuffies work. Even something as minor as a crumpled up piece of paper or a small block of wood can get their curiosity up.

My boar, Mr Bubbles was a non mover due to being overweight, but we started small with the crumpled up piece of paper. He bumped it around with his nose at first and later on decided to pick it up, flip it over his head and then go get it to do it again. We started adding other things like his tunnel, fleece forrest Eventually he got to where he runs around and plays. The best thing is the fleece forrest. All 4 of mine love it. You can buy one or it's not too hard to make one. It provides endless hours of fun for them. I think the feeling of the strips of fleece running along their body is amusing to them. They also love the security it provides.

I know your piggie has heart issues so she can't really run, but getting her to move around even a little bit should help with her weight and possibly help strengthen her heart. I would start small by making sure she feels secure on the floor and giving her the crumpled up paper just to see what she does. That or a little stuffie that is smaller than her, but not too small.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:23 am


Good advice! Moving around more should also help suspend any calcium deposits so they get peed out. Maybe a vibrating pad along with extra fluid?

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