Unsure of what happened to my pig

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Lisa12

Post   » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:16 am


And we re signing..
no you re not doing to bad no not bad at all you are just trying to walk before you can crawl..

Hope we ll learn to walk, crawl, live, fight and everything..and god Will be on our side..

Lisa12

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:49 am


Bpatters..professional advice please please please
Irie is responding slowly on gentamicyn.. he had inhalations for 14 days..
I called the vet but couldnt get him on the phone whole day..oh well..however.. i got someone else..and she was very kind and said..Irie should take some more..and than probably.. Will take this more times if he s responding..
Now.. I ve read here http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/gentamicin_sulfate.php
that if its nebulized does not cause kidney or oto toxicity..
Do you know something about it?

Whole thing is a bit too much for me... and anyway..i dont wanna cause him any damage..
I was about to ask vet what to do.. so..i see you are very experienced in nebulisation i would be very grateful for your oppinion, you know..
Our dossage is 0,3ml per day(nebulised)with destilated water or whatever its called. He aint taking nothing else, He s active and eats a lot. HE started gaining weight again.He was stable before.

bpatters
And got the T-shirt

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:14 am


I'd give him more. He's responding to it, he's had a long-term infection that may take extra treatments to resolve, why not give it to him?

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:38 am


I agree. We got a pig that was very sick with pneumonia to recover and I think the main thing that helped was the nebulizer treatments.

Here is a summary of Lucy's treatment:

http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?t=214

You may also want to look over this thread about nebulizer experiences:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70926&hilit=nebulizer

Lisa12

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:39 pm


Ok. Thank you both very much for your answers i appriciate it!!!:)
Interesting she had problems for two years before..i am learning new things about pigs every day… Thats why i would like him to recover, cause otherwise is going on still and still and you never know what Will turn out from that.. It is quite complicated cause he tolerate oral antibiotics so bad.

I hope i can speak to his vet and get more stuff tomorrow..i have quite a drive to do,alone, but i ll surivive..:) Hope Irie can stay at home..
:

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:25 pm


Lucy was a rescue from a horder & was living in very bad conditions when she was a baby and maybe that's where she picked up the cough. She lived to 5 years old. I think she did pretty well & was happy to give her a good home. We are also very lucky to have great guinea pig vets nearby.

It took Lucy several weeks to slowly recover. Good luck to you and Irie.

rjespicer

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:01 pm


Back from my travels and catching up. Will keep my fingers crossed for you and Irie.

Was thinking of him while I was in Thailand as I saw a sticker for a bar on Koh Lanta called Irie.

Lisa12

Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:18 pm


5 years is indeed damn great, for me:) I am happy for Lucy to live up to such an age.. Only one of my pigs lived more than 5 (i have 4, 1 still) and it wasnt for the lack of trying. All mine were adopted, too..

Thank you, Bookfan..:)

rjespicer thats really nice of you..hope you had great vaccation..and thank you very much, too.

We got gentamcyn for another 14 days. Vet didnt say when it or it Will be completely okay.. we Will see and hope for the best. HE said thats not a problem for kidneys as its not absorbed in it or something like that.. over worried pig mum with lack of vets knowledge..:)

Lisa12

Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:15 am


Here we go, again. I tought I Will never write to you again, but I Will, cause you have all been so kind and we need some support.

Irie wasnt able to completely recover. He was way better after 14 days, but after additional 21 days, he just stayed with little syptoms but very active.
Than his vet said to put him off it. I was so afraid I wont even tell you, but we did. HE somehow made it..he was good first week, bit worse second week.. than yesterday vet said by the phone that he wouldnt put it on it, if he doesnt have severe issues and is feeling bad or his weight it dropping and his weight is the highest ever(i didnt tell him that, but why should i-his weight is 890g.)

I was little pissed, but of course what can I say I mean. I am not a doctor and i know it, but its awfully stresful for me, but its Irie that is important. And he s the only doctor that knows him very well..and in our countrey its awful with doctors for exotic animals. Awful. Only this three who Works were Irie is going really knows their stuff, but they decide what they decide..of course I ask and all that, but still..its a little bit wierd, never mind.

So, if I got it correctly, if he Will releapse we Will put him on Gentamcyn again..he already stated before if he ll feeling bad he can get oral or injections as well.. So he ll be on and off antibiotics for life. Which is so not the best situation. Luckily he s been at vets last time on 28.12.2018.
I was there alone once, after that..

Irie is Quite lively..he s not crazy as usual, sadly..he s Quite crazy for adult boar. Anyway, do you have any suggestions..?
And I heard Echinacea purpurea is very good for this bacteria and on going infections.. can he inhale it, please, if anybody knows?
I heard pigs can take it oraly, so I assume he can inhale it. He inhaled chamomile and it helps with his stuffed nose-i dont think that alone Will kill the bacteria, but it can help him function..and if Echinacea purpurea helps when his not on antibiotic.

I read, Bookfan, when you said your pig had chronic cough.. this is chronic now, too..even if diagnosed. ITs been going on 6 months. And i dont like the fact we couldnt clear this up, cause he s always in danger.. I have no plans on going even on holidays-no winter, no summer. I just cant, beside Ringo s latest diagnose is glaucomma. He luckily wont need operation but he ll be on medications for life.

I am gonna die, I swear.. thoose two lads are gonna kill me.. I am sorry for long post..any advices. Even what food is like high in vitamins etc is recommended
Blessings&love
L&I&R

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:50 am


I am sorry you are continuing to have problems. I do not think the herbs will help much. Remember that Gentamcyn is ONLY given as a nebulized drug. It cannot be given orally or by injection (it is one of the dangerous medications to the digestive system). If the nebulized Gentamcyn is helping, I would continue it.

Lisa12

Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:27 pm


Thanks for your sympathy…
I know what you mean..but Ringo s vet, Iries doctor(not vet, but our friend who is doctor for humans for traditional and classical medicine) and my other friend who is pharamcist all said stuff him with everything you can find(herbs, vegetables) and I was like upset its not working..they were like no, you have to fight, maybe he can eliminate this in long run, you dont know.. just do it. So, I ll do it. They all care for Irie, so much, too.
I would even put him on acupuncture, so that you stimulate body to heal itself, but i am little worried he is pig..so we didnt do that. Not yet anyway

What I would really like to know do you feed Echinacea purpurea to your pigs..i dont wanna give him something toxic...please, if anybody knows???
PLEASE.:)

Thanks for that, too..If he ll get injections it Will be bactrim or baytril..i think..
As for Gentamicyn I wouldnt wait for too long, too..but bacteria can grew resistant with prolonged use.. and if vet the only one I know that is really good said to wait.. we ll have to wait a little bit..but it wont be too long..specially if things Will go worse…I think he tought like you once wrote few weeks on it, few weeks of it...but we wil have to handle the off it, stages, damn it.

Thanks again.. ITs insane, but than.. I would rather go myself than Irie so he s got friend who would die for him, for sure:) His vet didnt really take me that seriously once and i ve just say listen..i care for that pig sooooo much, do you understand.. Irie just drives me crazy, but sb must, right:)

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:58 pm


I wish guinea pigs always lived long, healthy lives. They can seem so fragile when they are ill.

I don't have any answers for you on the safety of the herbs. You may find some information online. Be sure to evaluate the source.

Lisa12

Post   » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:43 am


I agree.. totally, me, too..i decided to stop having pigs, cause mine all had issues.

I choose the best vets I can(Irie s vets, too) and we fought and we fought. Nobody was ever euthanasied, we never lost hope.

For Irie..if he can live to proper pig age, that would be outstanding..he still lives happy high quality life. HE s in danger a bit more, defenetly. We ll getting there slowly.. even 5 would be brilliant. He ll be 3 and half soon.. If we fail at least we have each other and did absolutely everything.
We ll have to trust the vet a little bit more, which is very hard for me in this situation. But i always stand by my oppinion cause of my pigs.

I checked out the plant. They can eat it. I bought the hay..cause I dont wanna give him tablets. I dont know if he ll inhale it, cause it can be agresive, maybe..

Best regards. If we have some good news or we ll made tricks video(maybe we Will)-we ll update.:) Wish very well to all other fighters!

Lisa12

Post   » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:43 am


I need some advice on vegetables and herbs, if anybody is know..(btw Irie s symptoms got worse this week-he managed more than three weeks off antibiotics inhalations, hopewe can make this time longer and longer; and 3 months off oral antibiotics.)

So, if anybody of you pigs specialists have time.. (i ll ask the vet about CBD, but it said that canabinoids usually cant destroy gram negative bacteria, so:S:()
-brocolli(is high in vitamins), its 2 times a week too many? IT can cause stones or is it harmless?
-beetroot-its good for blood.. how many times per week/months this is good?
-carrots-is it three times a week small carrott too much? I read Apple is worse than carrot is that true?
-how about oranges.. i spray few drops on grass..is that okay?
-are dandelion roots okay or green oats?

rjespicer

Post   » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:47 pm


Sorry to hear Irie is still having problems but I am glad he is still hanging in there, he's a real fighter by the sounds of it.

We only give ours a little bit of broccoli as it can cause gas. Apple and carrots also have a lot of sugar so they only get a little bit of that as well.
We usually do grated carrot as they seem to prefer that to big chunks.
They occasionally get Dandelion as a treat but that is high in Calcium which can cause stones.
Not sure about beetroot though.

I find the chart Lynx has here very useful

http://www.guinealynx.info/chart.html#chart

There is also more useful info here

http://www.guinealynx.info/diet.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/fave.html

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sef1268
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Post   » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:00 am


If I'm not mistaken, beetroot is high in oxalic acid similar to spinach and parsley, and I'd feed very sparingly if at all (it's not something commonly fed here in the US). Ditto on broccoli having the potential to cause gas, and fruits being high in sugars and best fed as an occasional treat. Do look over diet/fave links that rjespicer posted. I may have missed it, but what brands of better quality pellets are available to you there?

Lisa12

Post   » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:19 am


Thanks so much!!! I ll restudy all!! Thanks for good wishes rjespicer as allways..he is a fighter!

We were at vets..it was horrible..our vet was not working..and we were near very infected rabbit..i just said to my sister get Irie in the car right now..so we went there without irie..i went alone
However, he said..that we should lower dossage of gentamicyn(and i wont)… and that i should call him if this doesnt help-he always is so complicated, he s the oldest, but i just dont get along well with him.
He also said he thinks Irie wont ever recover..cause even some rabbits dont. And that pasturella is a lot easier than bordetella(and Irie is infected with bordetella bronhiseptica which is the worst). HE said he doesnt think Irie Will just die.. cause he s feeling generally well..but he also thinks he s in danger to get sepsa..(like blood intoxicated or something) and bla bla bla.. I was so tired. HE said its from experience.

I told him that my friend is doctor and also chinese medicine specialist and that he doesnt agree and he said that problem is in pig and if we want get pig better we need to find problem in pig… but my friend is older than all of vets..and he s been dealing with all kind of hopless people so he is very calm and wise.. which i cant say for the vet, sadly..he aint calm, aint wise..but yeah..he s got experiences, and a lot you cant deny that.
HE also said if we put herbs in nebuliser and if it made a diference-well, no it didnt..but if your nose is stuffed nebuliser Will help. If you have bacteria it wont destroy symptoms..

Beetroot is good for blood.. thats why

I wont stop..we wont..cause BOb Marley said where there is the Will there is a way.. You have to belive that even if you arer in the middle of shit-you ve got to belive more..anyway..we are back on gentamcyn and got vitamin C, again...cause I terorised him with healthy food.
Best regards:)

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:48 am


I can say that we generally recommend proven, safe, antibiotics and do not recommend herbal remedies for medical conditions that can be treated with antibiotics. Gentamycin that is nebulized, is one that has been used with some respiratory conditions.

I do not recall anyone nebulizing herbs.

I wish you the best.

p.s. I ran across this:
http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/managing-respiratory-diseases-exotic-mammals-proceedings
Guinea pigs

Bacterial pneumonia is the most significant respiratory disease seen in guinea pigs and the causative agents include Bordetella bronchiseptica and Streptococcus pneumoniae. . . Clinical signs often include inappetence, ocular and nasal discharge, and dyspnea secondary to purulent bronchopneumonia. Culture and sensitivity testing of exudate can be diagnostic when correlated with clinical signs. Radiography is useful to assess extent of respiratory tract involvement. Chloramphenicol, trimethoprim-sulfa, and enrofloxacin are commonly used antibiotics in guinea pigs. Anorexia is an occasional sequela to administration of oral chloramphenicol. In these cases, injectable florfenicol can be used.

Lisa12

Post   » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:48 am


Thanks as always.. !!

What pisses me off is pigs medicine in our countrey is so lame. Why i say lame? Cause its absolutely uncomparable with cats and dogs. Ringo is 14+but his vet never said that he cant do something or there are constantly problems. WIth pig vets they just are. I dont know other i met at doctors says oh they can do a lot, but what. If i dont know about football, i can find somebody good, who isnt good ..if you get me..if i know i know Mo Salah is good. So I cant really say our medicine for pigs in some kind of high level, its just not. Or maybe I am doing something wrong. Despite giving 200%.

However vet said to lower dossage of gentamcyn from 0,3ml to 0,05ml and he didnt even gave me enough to have for 14 days! And I complained twice his reply was this is correct calcualtion (no..i trust other vet more and he said 0,3ml)and to call him if 0,05 is not working.

Is gentamcyn same as for humans, dogs, cats..i ll be honest. I think I should get more elswere. I dont need to be treated like some kind of idiot. And I am doing this for IRie. Cause otherwise..there is no way of doing it. Going to vets like this.But you ve got to play along, right. I ll CALL him if he suggested. OR I ll get it from elswhere, but than I know they have correct medications and you cant even know that about others, only if you can confirm is the same as for dogs???. I mean..I would so love to fly to USa with Irie to see your vets:)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:21 am


When using as a nebulized drug, I do not know what the dose is for gentamycin.

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