Is this Bumblefoot?

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Hedra2

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:00 pm


It never ends. My guinea pigHalloween has been pretty inactive lately while recovering from tooth issues and I’m now worried about his hind feet. They were a little red and now look a bit swollen and crusty. Not sure if it’s the start of Bumblefoot. We actually went to the vet today (2hr Drive there in the snow and another 2hrs back) but when I made the appointment by phone they failed to mention that the vet on staff today knew nothing about Guinea pigs. He was very kind and apologetic but he had no idea. He sent us home with some cream. The guinea pig knowledgeable vet is in Monday so I thought I’d ask here in the meantime.

He’s got it on both hind feet, this is the worse foot



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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:03 pm


It certainly looks like it could be pododermatitis (bumblefoot). Some treatment suggestions on this page:
www.guinealynx.info/pododermatitis.html

Let me know if you'd like your photo added permanently to your topic.

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Hedra2

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:36 pm


This poor pig :(

It’s so far to the vet I am hoping I can talk to them on Monday and have them phone in a Prescription at one of the clinics here (the two clinics here won’t see small animals).

(Yes please to photo)

Bookfan
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Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:59 am


Here's a good thread on bumblefoot with info from a various posters. It includes all the info about our gp's long recovery, spread out over several posts.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77039&hilit=bumblefoot

Bookfan
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Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:03 pm


I may be off track here, but is Hedra2 anywhere near Pinta? I didn't see any vet suggestions for her location (province?).

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm


Pinta knows all the best vets!

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Hedra2

Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:55 am


Crap! So my guinea pig has been having some foot issues (possibly early Bumblefoot the vet wasn’t sure) and so he was prescribed a topical cream (despite my complaints) which I put on sparingly on his back feet but it of course did nothing. Yesterday the vet finally gave us an oral med but since the office is close to 2hrs from me, she called a Rx into the pharmacy. I assumed she knew what she was doing but just noticed today (after giving two doses) that it’s on the dangerous list! (Amoxicillin) I will stop immediately and hope I didn’t do any damage to my poor pig. Do you think he will be ok after so little? What meds can be used other than Baytril. Due to work and kids I cannot drive out to the vet until at least next Saturday (unless I can find someone going out that way sooner).

Just to make things worse I just noticed today that our other pig has a cyst in his ear. He scratched it and made it bleed and partially burst. I’m reluctant to take him to the vet now since they don’t seem to know what they are doing. I’m now stressed and worried about both of them.

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Hedra2

Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:29 am


I would have checked the list sooner had I known, but I have been so lucky with my pigs in the past I have very little antibiotic experience and I stupidly trusted my vet.

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sef1268
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Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:12 am


You have probably already read this, but info on bumblefoot treatment can be found here:
http://www.guinealynx.info/pododermatitis.html

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:43 am


I am so glad you caught the vet's error! Amoxicillin can be especially deadly. Look over this page - it discusses antibiotic associated diarrhea and specifically mentions amoxicillin:
www.guinealynx.info/diarrhea.html

Does this guinea pig already have a topic? If so, please do not start a new one! It helps us to have easy access to a guinea pig's medical history. At the very least, you must include a link to any previous topic with a summary of that topic.

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sef1268
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Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:56 am


Looks like there is already a thread on this same subject here

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:21 am


I seem to remember bpatters working some magic merging topics. I will try to do this.

Please, Hedra2, do NOT start any new ones!!!!

Edit: I was successful - it was not easy to do! (had to go through several pages of medical topics, trying to find your old topic).

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Hedra2

Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:23 pm


My question was not about Bumblefoot it was about Amoxicillin and if I should be worried after a few doses, and which meds would be safe for the vet to call into the pharmacy. So far he seems ok but I’m really worried.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:20 pm


You can ask your question about amoxicillin in the topic you started on the guinea pig that was given it.

The medical forum is almost exclusively used to ask questions concerning problems with individual guinea pigs so a history is extremely important. In the past, we have even suspended the accounts of people who do not follow these guidelines, so please do follow them. The people who are likely to answer your question read every new post in the medical forum so it will not be missed. A very few questions go unanswered if we have nothing to add.

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Hedra2

Post   » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:32 pm


The vet sent me an e-mail saying "amoxicillin is safe to use in Guinea Pigs at low doses for short time periods, such as prescribed. Source: Handbook of Veterinary Drugs, along with exotic veterinary training in veterinary college, and checked on VIN." so now I don't know what to do. I'm not giving him the amoxicillan but she thinks I should. There are no other vets here that see guinea pigs.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:21 pm


That is a bunch of crap. Absolutely, positively wrong. NEVER give amoxicillin. He will not find a vet on VIN to recommend amoxicillin unless it is not a very knowledgeable vet.

A quick search turned up all my warnings on Guinea Lynx and a pdf on vin that also warns against its use:
https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?pId=112 ... D=17&print=1

Pharmacotherapeutics in Exotic Small Mammals: An Update and a Review by James W. Carpenter, MS, DVM, DACZM (who has published the well-respected Exotic Animal Formulary, with multiple editions). I highlighted some info below:
Inappropriate antibiotic treatment can also result in enteritis and antibiotic-associated clostridial enterotoxemia in rodents, especially when antibiotics with a primary gram-positive spectrum are given. Incidence is higher when agents are given orally. Chinchillas, guinea pigs, and hamsters are most susceptible. Also, direct toxicity from streptomycin and dihydrostreptomycin occurs in gerbils, guinea pigs, hamsters, and mice. Procaine, included in some penicillin preparations, can be toxic to mice and guinea pigs. Guinea pigs and chinchillas are highly susceptible to the ototoxic effects of chloramphenicol and aminoglycosides at dosages above those recommended clinically. Antibiotics implicated in antibiotic associated clostridial enterotoxemia in rodents include:
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Guinea pigs: penicillins (including ampicillin, amoxicillin), cefazolin, clindamycin, erythromycin, lincomycin, dihydrostreptomycin, streptomycin, bacitracin, chlortetracycline, oxytetracycline, tetracycline, tylosin.

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sef1268
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Post   » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:39 am


Ditto on Carpenter's Formulary. Page 460 of the most recent edition (5th Edition, 2018) states: "Amoxicillin - Do not use orally in hamsters, guinea pigs, chinchillas; may cause enterocolitis." If you like, I can scan and send you the page, if you want to shoot me a message through the GL mailer.

If you can't switch to another vet, contact this same vet and ask to speak to her directly. I'd say something along the lines of, "For my own peace of mind, since I'm concerned about this particular drug and don't want to take any chances, can you please substitute Baytril? I'll be happy to pay extra for it." If she's any decent vet at all, she'll respect your concerns and make the switch.

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Hedra2

Post   » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:49 am


Oh thanks so much guys, those are great references to show her.

Self 1268 - yes please to a copy of the page. Not sure what the GL mailer is though but my e-mail address is ckereliuk@hotmail.com if that works!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:15 am


When your vet wrote, "amoxicillin is safe to use in Guinea Pigs at low doses for short time periods, such as prescribed" what was the dose prescribed (concentration in mg/ml along with the weight of your guinea pig, along with the amount you were giving in cc so we can calculate the dose she claimed was a low dose) and how long did she prescribe it for?

I wonder if she is just covering her tracks, badly.

p.s. we have had several new members lose their pets because unknowledgeable vets prescribed this drug.

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sef1268
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Post   » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:12 pm


I'll scan it and send it to you in the morning. In the meantime, are you doing foot soaks or any other non-drug treatment for the foot? That picture you posted was last month...how does it looks now?

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