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sozansound2

Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:45 pm


And also is critical care supposed to be a paste or a liquid?

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:12 pm


The instructions on the packet suggest 3 tablespoons of dry Critical Care per kg of weight. This should be mixed with water until it has a somewhat loose consistency. I don't make mine too watery. You'll need to cut off the tip of the 1cc syringe as described on the Handfeeding page. If you warm the Critical Care in the microwave for a few seconds (the goal is to WARM it, not make it hot), it will make a smoother consistency.

*Go slowly* and push the syringe past the front teeth at a slight angle. Dispense a little of the formula at a time, and watch to make sure you see a chewing motion. You don't want him to aspirate on it. You can alternate between Critical Care and plain water. He may not want it, but it is often called "forced-feeding" for a reason. He needs to eat and needs to keep weight on. Otherwise, he will not be a good surgical candidate, no matter how skilled the veterinarian.

Do follow the handfeeding instructions carefully. It's not all that difficult, but it takes a little practice to get the hang of it.

sozansound2

Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:38 pm


We saw the second opinion vet. She found out the stone is in a position to block off a bit more urine making him only able to pee very small amounts.

His bladder is extended. The operation will be tomorrow morning as this is an extreme emergency. I tried to hold back as much water just because of that and used a small bit of water. Enough to make the critical care thick enough to be able to still slide into the syringe and out in a good manner.

I gave him my first batch at 4:50pm but it was a bit liquidy. Then when to the vet. Found out what I said above and then came back to make the second batch and came out good. At 7pm I gave him the second batch.

I still have 1 more but unsure if I should give him the last batch due to it containing water. I gave him 2 pain meds. One is to make him a bit calm and maybe be able to pee a bit more.

The vet tried to use a catheter to empty out his bladder but he was too alert and not possible. Also to be able to push back the stone to make it easier for surgery tomorrow. That is why she said I should give him that second pain med also to maybe be able to insert the catheter successfully. She wants this because once the stone is lodged into the urethra too much it makes it very hard to remove it. Possible but not very easy.

If that is the case and catheter was not possible and she goes in and the stone cant be removed without other complications trying then sadly he will be put down on the table. He wouldn't have to be in pain anymore and I do agree with this if the stone is just not retrievable without other problems that he could have long term.

The second med is called gabapentin. Just .2 ml

Thank you for everyones advice and help. I do truly appreciate it. Tomorrow is the big day.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:00 pm


This would certainly explain why he feels so poorly. I'm sorry. Stones are lousy, and unfortunately this may be a will be a more complicated surgery because it has moved into his urethra.

I'm familiar with Gabapentin but don't know if that's a reasonable dose without knowing the concentration of the drug that you have (it should be on the bottle, expressed as something like 10mg/ml or similar. Would also need to know his weight.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for tomorrow.

sozansound2

Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:13 pm


What they said to give is .2 and all I see on the bottle is that it is 50 mg/mL oral solution and QTY of 4ml.

And yes I knew stones are not the best thing to deal with and tried to prevent them. I knew that pigs can get them even when you try to prevent them. But we knew this and every other flaw but they are worth it regardless. Flaw or no flaw

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:53 pm


Stones are not a flaw. They are a medical condition that happens for reasons that we don't quite understand. Factors may include heredity, diet, lack of exercise, or a history of urinary tract infections. I've certainly dealt with my fair share of them, and they can be devastating.

I hope your little guy does well with the surgery and is able to recover. You will want to review diet and try to lower overall calcium as it may contribute to future stone formation. Unfortunately, though, they do tend to recur.

sozansound2

Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:13 pm


I'm sorry I wrote that wrong. Yea I know it is a medical condition.

I heard cases from the vet they developed 1 stone and then a month later they got another even when diet was changed accordingly.

My piggy ended up sharing some veggies with the female and ate all green lettuce and some pieces of red pepper. Makes me happy he was able to eat some solids. He even drank some water earlier than that but much prefers to slouch around. Can't blame him

Thank you for the well wishes

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Post   » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:51 pm


Sef unfortunately has a lot of experience with stones. I think all of us here hate them.

Hoping for the best for your guinea pig.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:04 am


It is truly gut wrenching when I see him deep asleep. I placed a white towel under him to see if he pees and I have not seen any pee or poop. I warmed it up just a bit to keep him comfortable as well. This is the worst feeling. I truly hope he makes it. It is before 9am.

I need to just go to sleep or I will be here all night.

And that sounds terrible hearing seth has that much stone experience:(

Sometimes I just wish I would of went with the x ray that first day I heard that noice. We are here now and gonna make the best of it but it keeps making me wonder how it would of turned out you know.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:28 am


I would agree that he should have been seen when the crying first started, but hindsight is always 20/20 and now at least you can recognize the signs if you're ever faced with this again.

Keeping fingers crossed that he pulls through. Do keep us posted.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:26 pm


I woke up like 2 hours before I was supposed to and and I just had a feeling to go check up on him.

When I went to see him i saw him walking out of his hut limping of sort. Stomach looked bigger and i am sure it was the bladder distended. I immediately tried to have him come back into the hut cause the towel is there so he wouldn't move much. I decided to stay up and prepare everything and leave early to catch the vet coming in to the facility as early as possible.

I gave him both pain meds again but not water or food. I tried and see if he wanted some lettuce but refused. When I placed him back, he was able to wall a bit more. Because of the new med, it made him very drowsy before which is what the vet was banking on to try and insert the catheter to relieve some pressure from the bladder. After I prepared a lol baggy with his favorite foods and critical care bag, heated the car, prepared myself to leave, and keeping an eye out on him to make sure he is still with me. 2 hours later I picked him up to place him in the soft fleece towel in always use to transport him inside a big box.

I checked the white towel he had always been under. Before I couldn't see if he peed. Definitely didn't see pokp at all. I checked with the towel in my hand and saw he had been peeing which made me feel some relief and a good decision to get everything ready super early.

Made sure to keep an eye out during the trip and like always, he did respond to stimuli aka car movement and hand. He would move around and plop on the way there.

I saw the vet come into the clodes building and I flagged her down, explained everything and she let me in super early. I handed care of him to her. I havent heard back anything and it has been 4 hours. Will wait 2 more and give them a call. They said they would call me back when the operation was finished and when I could pick him up.

My.stomach had been wrenching so I tool a nap.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:28 pm


The new med was gabapentin. I am sure cause if this, he never wined about pain since I gave it too him. Pretty sure it is very strong but who knows how much he could feel. Maybe enough that he would keep quiet? Or not at all which is what I hope for.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:40 pm


The vet was able to feel the stone and manipulate it down the penis and slice a bit open to get it out and stitch just a bit to avoid scar tissue forming.

2 hours later he was a bit weaker even doe he was looking good. She believes he is going into gi stasis due to anesthesia. Also mentioned it could also be others things going on at the same time with everything happening. Maybe kidney things and such.

She is doing allot for him at the moment but called her and told her I heard acidophilus capsules can help allot with statis. I read lots about it here in the forums. Anything else that can be useful?

I hope the probiotics works. She also has been feeding critical care I gave her after he woke up

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:45 pm


I was hoping of bringing him home because he may feel much more comfortable in the cage with the female pig. I am supposed to pick him up in 2 hours then she called for the second time saying what I wrote above.

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Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:08 pm


Acidophilus capsules won't do much for stasis. They're used to repopulate the good bacteria in the gut which aids digestion, but they won't get the gut moving, which is what you need with stasis.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:50 pm


The vet said he stopped taking anything my hand feeding. Theu gave him critical care and food and other meds when he was active after surgery. He has declined and wont chew when putting the syringe in his mouth.

The 1 thing I wanted to try is bringing him back to the house with the female pig. He has always been super comfortable here. Maybe he will start accepting something later.

I will spend all my time with him, even all night trying to nurse him in what I can.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:01 pm


I'm messaging his tummy to help a bit. I do hear it moving

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:50 pm


Decided to let him rest in his cage with the female on top of a white warm towel. Next to him is a long bottle with warm water which he is semi near and a blanket over him.

I was thinking maybe I am hurting him. May be a bit soar so I am gonna watch him and monitor him incase he ends up getting some kind of strength and instantly giving him anything he needs.

May be a long night

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:59 pm


Massage will help with gas build-up. He also needs handfeeding, fluids and a motility drug to get the gut moving again. You can let him rest, but you must get him to eat or his gut will shut down.

sozansound2

Post   » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:06 pm


Is motility drug an injection? Because if it is from a syringe, he wont accept it. He wont chew so I cant feed him that way.

What is a motility drug?

And it sucks because the vet just close. 1 minute after your replied :(

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