Unsure of what happened to my pig

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Lisa12

Post   » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:19 am


Thanks so much!!! I ll restudy all!! Thanks for good wishes rjespicer as allways..he is a fighter!

We were at vets..it was horrible..our vet was not working..and we were near very infected rabbit..i just said to my sister get Irie in the car right now..so we went there without irie..i went alone
However, he said..that we should lower dossage of gentamicyn(and i wont)… and that i should call him if this doesnt help-he always is so complicated, he s the oldest, but i just dont get along well with him.
He also said he thinks Irie wont ever recover..cause even some rabbits dont. And that pasturella is a lot easier than bordetella(and Irie is infected with bordetella bronhiseptica which is the worst). HE said he doesnt think Irie Will just die.. cause he s feeling generally well..but he also thinks he s in danger to get sepsa..(like blood intoxicated or something) and bla bla bla.. I was so tired. HE said its from experience.

I told him that my friend is doctor and also chinese medicine specialist and that he doesnt agree and he said that problem is in pig and if we want get pig better we need to find problem in pig… but my friend is older than all of vets..and he s been dealing with all kind of hopless people so he is very calm and wise.. which i cant say for the vet, sadly..he aint calm, aint wise..but yeah..he s got experiences, and a lot you cant deny that.
HE also said if we put herbs in nebuliser and if it made a diference-well, no it didnt..but if your nose is stuffed nebuliser Will help. If you have bacteria it wont destroy symptoms..

Beetroot is good for blood.. thats why

I wont stop..we wont..cause BOb Marley said where there is the Will there is a way.. You have to belive that even if you arer in the middle of shit-you ve got to belive more..anyway..we are back on gentamcyn and got vitamin C, again...cause I terorised him with healthy food.
Best regards:)

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Lynx
Celebrate!!!

Post   » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:48 am


I can say that we generally recommend proven, safe, antibiotics and do not recommend herbal remedies for medical conditions that can be treated with antibiotics. Gentamycin that is nebulized, is one that has been used with some respiratory conditions.

I do not recall anyone nebulizing herbs.

I wish you the best.

p.s. I ran across this:
http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/ma ... roceedings
Guinea pigs

Bacterial pneumonia is the most significant respiratory disease seen in guinea pigs and the causative agents include Bordetella bronchiseptica and Streptococcus pneumoniae. . . Clinical signs often include inappetence, ocular and nasal discharge, and dyspnea secondary to purulent bronchopneumonia. Culture and sensitivity testing of exudate can be diagnostic when correlated with clinical signs. Radiography is useful to assess extent of respiratory tract involvement. Chloramphenicol, trimethoprim-sulfa, and enrofloxacin are commonly used antibiotics in guinea pigs. Anorexia is an occasional sequela to administration of oral chloramphenicol. In these cases, injectable florfenicol can be used.

Lisa12

Post   » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:48 am


Thanks as always.. !!

What pisses me off is pigs medicine in our countrey is so lame. Why i say lame? Cause its absolutely uncomparable with cats and dogs. Ringo is 14+but his vet never said that he cant do something or there are constantly problems. WIth pig vets they just are. I dont know other i met at doctors says oh they can do a lot, but what. If i dont know about football, i can find somebody good, who isnt good ..if you get me..if i know i know Mo Salah is good. So I cant really say our medicine for pigs in some kind of high level, its just not. Or maybe I am doing something wrong. Despite giving 200%.

However vet said to lower dossage of gentamcyn from 0,3ml to 0,05ml and he didnt even gave me enough to have for 14 days! And I complained twice his reply was this is correct calcualtion (no..i trust other vet more and he said 0,3ml)and to call him if 0,05 is not working.

Is gentamcyn same as for humans, dogs, cats..i ll be honest. I think I should get more elswere. I dont need to be treated like some kind of idiot. And I am doing this for IRie. Cause otherwise..there is no way of doing it. Going to vets like this.But you ve got to play along, right. I ll CALL him if he suggested. OR I ll get it from elswhere, but than I know they have correct medications and you cant even know that about others, only if you can confirm is the same as for dogs???. I mean..I would so love to fly to USa with Irie to see your vets:)

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Lynx
Celebrate!!!

Post   » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:21 am


When using as a nebulized drug, I do not know what the dose is for gentamycin.

Lisa12

Post   » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:53 am


Hey everybody.. dear pig friends of ours..:)!!

Lynx..sorry to bother you again hope you dont mind…:)

I hope its okay if i post link here https://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/th ... -diagnosis
here is written that this pig Roo recovered from same diagnosis as ours. SO its not impossible or what?
I just wanted to know, cause one of our vets said that he never saw anyone recover from it. Well, he didnt see everything than..
I am so sorry Irie couldnt handle doxycyline..does it exist in liquid form, do you know? Cause he got problem with tablets, he was okay with liquid marbofloxacin and azitromicin.

HE probably wouldnt respond more on doxycyline than on gentamcyn, right(nebulized)?

And do you think..i mean Iries immunity system is too weak? CAuse if it reacts in culture and not in his body..
We ve got alot of fresh grass now..he s 900g..when i got him he was 670g, we are going to 1200g..we have to get there..!!

Cause cancer patients cant recover(humans).. I can only imagine his immunity system is too weak.. cause other wise its unexplainable..on top of that he s responding a lot worse in smaller dossage of gentamcyn nebulizer and that s lame, so i have to call our vet, again..I am calling him for Irie every like 2 or three weeks and thats alone its Quite insane..
This s been going on for half of the year now, exactly. Beside that Ringo needs Quite a lot of asistence too.. I sleep currently 5hours per night, cause this week s been awful for us three. Shit:(

I ll go check on Irie..cause he sometimes gets lazy (he s Quite wild ) and i start freaking out …)but oh well..I hope he feels okay.
And beetroot)is heavy for their bellies..we tried it..but its ..i dont know..very little sometimes..otherwise it Will be too much..

his pellets are versalle laga.. i forgot to write..he doesnt wanna oxbow, anymore.. sadly..

rjespicer

Post   » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:48 pm


We had to give one of our girls Doxycyline once and that was in liquid form so yes it does exist.

Lisa12

Post   » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:28 pm


Thank you so much!!!
At least some good news for us:) I do not know why he doesnt handle tablets but he doesnt.. i ll put him on vit C for next ten days as you once already suggested! Vet increased a dossage since Irie is now fatter so here we go:)

Lisa12

Post   » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:58 pm


Irie is eating hell of a lot at evening.. so I am very pleased.. :)
And I forget to tell you guys..if gunnea pigs could travel by plane..they cant right? Just checking
We would fly USA first class to meet best vet you have..and to meet with Lynx, rjespicer and bpatters..:) Really.. ;)
I like living here cause we ve got a lot of fresh air+grass and are baisiclly in the forrest but..vets and pigs..yeah..i wont say is that bad..but it could be better..and there s lack of vets for pigs..for sure..there is only one better clinic and distance to it is nearly an hour ..i drive like crazy so we are a lot faster like 30- 40min, but still.(in one direction). I always joke we ll hide IRie so the cops wont take our little gangster away cause his taxi is speeding down the highway..we are chaging cars so we re not that visible:P:)

rjespicer

Post   » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:29 pm


I doubt they would allow them on planes unless they were in the cargo hold and I wouldn't put them in there. I remember a story last year i think of someone on a domestic flight tried to take a Guinea pig on with her and they wouldn't let her. They said she would either have to get off the flight or have it euthanized. She chose to stay on the flight and sadly the piggy was put to sleep. Not the choice I would have made

As far as Vets go your money might go further checking for a decent Cavy vet in somewhere like Munich, or Venice which would be a lot easier to get to, although not necessarily driving distance, even in Irie's taxi.

I have not visited your country, although I have traveled quite a bit over the years the closest I have been to where you are is Innsbruck, but it sounds nice, I like forests.

I am glad to hear Irie is eating well

Lisa12

Post   » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:08 am


Strange.. I didnt know its not allowed.. I tought if pigs can survive the flight..
I wouldnt put pig to sleep no way.

I thought Vienna(you mean Vienna as in Austria, right? When they couldnt diagnose Irie I was making the fuss at vets..i was almost sorry for him, but oh well..he didnt cure my pigs, either..anyway..but he tried and i am grateful for that.
But anyway I said to him if he s the best and dont know whats up with IRie, should I bring him to Austria(my bad, cause you just dont say that, but I was losing it..)and he answered that like what Will they do there, than.. eh..I dont know cure the pig(i mean of course i didnt say that, but i tought it:))

we re too wild for slovenian pigs scene.. and like its fate we have to get this diagnosis.. whoever else would get it, i bet it wouldnt be like we got it, but its our shit, now..what can i say..We re usually making the fuss(like some sort of Johnny Rottens:)), I wish I wouldnt have to fight that much with vets and everybody, but you go nowhere.. In Usa people are like Lindsey Vonn..in here not so much..sadly.. too reserved.
(Like Bob MArley said No man can stop me. If god wants me to stop than I Will)

Innsbruck is pretty close(4h away), you re welcome to come to us.. if you ever get here.. and we can go to our vets together(i m kiding..i bet you could ask them some more stuff than I do:) and even that is too much-cause other people usually dont ask them about antibiotics prescribed or complain about dossage).

rjespicer

Post   » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:18 pm


I meant Venice in Italy but Vienna is also pretty close (on the map at least) to Slovenia. I was just looking for big cities reasonably close to you.

I was in Innsbruck when I was about 8 or 9 for a holiday with my Grandparents. It was the first time I drank beer and Schnapps ;)

I hope you and the vet(s) work out how to get Irie back to full health.

Lisa12

Post   » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:37 pm


Oh, so you were correct. Thanks for suggestion. We ll see if we ll need this..

Hahaha..you started early than:) Like true alcoholics:p

Thank you.. Our vet was present today.. HE said we ll have baccteria resistant if we ll constantly load him with higher dossages..thats why they suggested lower..but if he doesnt respond to lower ..i dont know. HE said to start with older and than try some lower but not as low as 0,05.
Otherwise it was a bit of same old blah blah blah..where we live and whats bothering him.. each doctor thinks a little bit different. But we tried everything already. And if you are in the forrest you cant say you dont have ideal enviroment or fresh air.. no air is better than here, its not possible people in the city where this clinic is comes here over a weekend..all dressed up like for skiing its quite funny for us locals:p;) And they say oh dogs here are off leash..well.. no, not all..but dogs who dont bother others and obbey enough can be off leash, of course.

I am quite tired of it all, to be honest.. I need to forget about vets for a little bit at least.. I try to keep Irie off antibiotics as much as I can, specially if he ll keep gaining weight… I wanted to ask for CBD oil, but i always forget.. Once i Will..i have to write it or something damn it. As for having nebuliser+oral antibiotic i wanted to ask that too..but i do not think it Will make difference.. and beside that.. as Irie is so sensitive it can cause him damage so..i think thats why they were hestiant with giving him antibiotics(but he had to took them anyway), cant blame them loosing him cause he cant take medications would be wrong..and i almost lost him as i gave him doxy tablets on my own so..

Thanks for best wishes..again… we ll go offline for a while now.. we ve got gentamcyn for 14 days or a little more and than there Will be pause, hope he can handle it..
Its cool I can go to vets alone.. without IRie:) I was there way too many times..but it is what it is.. His sneezing and discharge got worse now as he was on pause and lower dossages but he seems strong, happy and eating.. Will update in few weeks or so:)

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