Jan's Toothy Smile medical thread

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:24 am


Okay Joy is on Zantac Syrup 0.2mls twice a day, Flagyl 0.4mls twice a day, Tramol 2 drops twice a day, Protexin twice a day and poop soup also twice a day. Around 4 weeks ago she was on Doxy twice a day for 5 days for lung infection.

All went well until around 10 days later she developed mushy poops. Now this is why she was put onto the Flaygl and poop soup. After 4 days her poops became normal. After 3 more days we took her off it but kept up the poop soup and Protexin. Within 2 days her mushy poops were back, so back onto the Flagyl. After 4 days poops back to normal. So 3 more days we took her off and back onto Flagyl. But we fear her body has become use to the Flagyl as it is not working.

The vet wants to put her onto yogurt but we are not keen on this. She is going to the vet again Friday. She is eating and is behaving normal. Is there anyother medication she can be on to help with her poops? We have her on Timothy and Meadow hay and grass and very little veggies.

Thanking any replies in advance. Sef1268 you mentioned I should ask vet what injections are for before they give it. We do not have this luxury. The vets who treated Jan we have reported to the veterinary board. As our normal vet whom we don't see any more said Jan was normal but when we saw another vet same day Jan's temp and heart rate were high. She had head tilt, I mentioned head tilt was told all normal.

Then another vet filled syringes with this brown fluid similar to Morphine that would make Jan sleep up to or more than 8 hours which we did not use as we know she had to eat and drink to keep tummy moving. So vets are wary about me, they are banding together and they know they know zilch about guinea pigs and are fearful I will report them.

I don't expect anything to happen to said vets as guinea pigs and other small pets don't matter here. Just cats and dogs and farm animals. Not even birds matter here. Thanks for reading! Thanks for the advice Sef1268!!!!!

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:17 am


It looks like Zantac syrup contains Sorbitol, which is notorious for causing gastric upset and diarrhea in humans. I imagine the same would be true (or even more so) when it comes to guinea pigs. It alone may not be causing the diarrhea, but could be contributing to it.

Why do you say that the Flagyl is no longer helping, since you describe that you have seen improvement each time it has been used?

Do NOT use yogurt:
http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:29 pm


This time around the Flagyl is not firming up her poops like before. I think like humans they get use to medication and hence they no longer work. We have a law getting passed through parliament that getting antibiotics for humans will be harder to obtain as they believe humans are abusing them.

Also all the other times she wasn't on the Tramal, maybe this is the cause that the Flagyl doesn't work? It is the only thing that is different this time.

Jan and Joy were/are on Zantac as they both had/have bad tummy wind. If we stop the Zantac she stops eating and pooping with in 24 hours. Dr Vella a so called Cavy Savvy vet put Jan onto Zantac when he saw her tummy X-ray.

On a good note she has had 4 slices of banana and we have noticed her poops whilst still mushy are taking shape. It is early days but we have everything crossed.

Don't worry I will NOT use any yogurt or any other dairy products on Joy! I am sticking to Flagyl until I see the vet tomorrow, Protexin, poop soup and the banana.

Thanks for the reply and advice Sef1268! Much appreciated!

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:13 pm


I wouldn't feed any fruit at all until the poops are back to normal, and would limit veggies. If you have fed fruits in the past, that may also be a contributor. Fruit is sugary and guinea pig guts aren't made to break down the carbs efficiently. It is rare that I feed any fruit at all, and I would absolutely avoid it with any pig having diarrhea or other gastric upset.

It might be wise to review Joy's diet to see what other foods should be reduced or eliminated to avoid stomach problems.

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:34 pm


I wouldn't feed any fruit at all until the poops are back to normal
Joy got fruit on November 27th 2018 as comfort food when her sister Jan passed away. Again on December 24th as it was her 6th birthday and again on December 25th as a special treat!

When we stopped Zantac Syrup Joy went off food with in 24 hours and stopped pooping and had major wind problems. Swore unless directed would not take her off it again!

Jan Joy's sister had tummy problems with wind as well and was also on Zantac syrup as vets believe it is a genetic problem. Jan had X-ray on her tummy and it showed roughly tummy 25% and wind 75%. Vet said she would not make Christmas(less than 4 weeks). Jan lived for 2 years more.

As far as Joy goes with the banana it is day 2 and after a month of mushy poops her poops now have shape and some are normal texture. For now we will continue with the banana as it seems to be working. The big question is when to stop before she gets constipated.

Feeding guinea pigs with mushy poops bananas has always worked before on other pigs like Jessie, Petal and Zoe. We just kick ourselves we didn't think of it before!

Thanks for the reply Sef1268! As to Joy's diet she gets Timothy and Meadow or Oaten hay depending what we can get due to the drought. Oxbow adult pellets, spinach, baby spinach, silverbeet, oak lettuce and carrots and grass when we can get it. We are going to buy some more cat grass seeds and grow some more grass.

Off to vet in 4 hours will update again then. Thanking replies in advance!

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:41 pm


Has anyone's pigs ever got a CERENIA injection? Is it safe for pigs? Also NEOTOPIC H cream? this new vet jabs pigs then tells you what it was. I am NOT liking this damn vet but next vet is hours away and they are much worse!

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Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:50 pm


Neotopic H is a lotion that has an antibiotic, an anti-inflammatory, and a steroid. It should be fine to use as long as the pig can't ingest it.

Cerenia is used to control vomiting due to motion sickness. It was developed for dogs, but can be used for cats. Since guinea pigs can't vomit, and since cerenia seems to have no other uses, I can't imagine why they'd give it to a guinea pig.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:55 am


Cerenia is used to control vomiting due to motion sickness. It was developed for dogs, but can be used for cats. Since guinea pigs can't vomit, and since Cerenia seems to have no other uses, I can't imagine why they'd give it to a guinea pig.
I found this on Google but totally agree with you! https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/cerenia-antibiotic.114228/
Thanks for the reply bpatters.

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Post   » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:19 am


I actually have some Cerenia tablets from a while back when our dog was sick. It controls vomiting not only for motion sickness but also for dogs getting chemo, or that have parvovirus or gastroenteritis. I don’t see anything about it being tested on animals other than dogs.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:47 pm


Around 6 weeks ago maybe more, Joy was put onto Doxy. No problems. Then around 2 weeks after her poops become mushy. Nothing I do seems to help. Doxy did clear infections on both pigs!

I have tried medication like Flagyl, vet has given injections like the one for travel sickness. I have tried cutting out vegetables but as Joy eats so little she can't afford to lose weight. I have also tried banana which I was told causes consitpation, to begin with it worked 50% but then nothing but mush.

She is on Protexin twice a day, poop soup also twice a day, then tramal twice a day. Last one for pain with the wind in her tummy. Took her off it once and she stopped eating. May go down to one drop twice a day and see how we go.
I have cut out rockmelon(her favourite), cucumber, cos lettuce and tomatoes. I am in process of growing some cat grass.
Have not seen her eat hay or her poops-the rate they smell I wouldn't eat them either!!! Now as to her diet she is getting carrot, spinach, baby spinach, silverbeet, oak lettuce, Oxbow pellets which she occasionally eats, Timothy hay, and Meadow or Oaten hay depending on what we can get due to the drought.

Now some suggested Vitamin C supplement but when I give her some she stops eating-Vitamin C I got from health food shop. Jessie was on it for last 2 years of her life and she loved it. I would add a pinch once a day.

So now out of desperation I am now going to try Metomide tablets 1/10 of a tablet twice a day. I don't really want to take her to the vet again as I am scared as to what else they are going to inject her with. And last time I took Joy to the vet they were talking about taking blood whilst she was awake. NONE will listen when I tell them you don't need 2 vials to have blood tested as that is almost half a guinea pigs blood supply. I have suggested many times to cut the quick in a claw or two but they insist this is not enough. To make it worse pathologist when testing a guinea pig's blood have no idea what they are looking for!

Now don't say go to exotic vets or piggy savvy vet as (a) there are none and (b) they too if you can find one want to take blood too. There is a Dr Vella listed on GL's recommend vets here in Australia and he too takes blood from guinea pigs.

Now Jaffa was also on Doxy and she developed mushy poops too, this for her comes and goes. Touching wood at present we have her under control.

We have tried removing lettuce or spinach and silverbeet from diet but what ever we remove she stops eating.
It is alright if you have no suggestions as I am fresh out of ideas as well! With the Doxy vet said point 0.5mls twice a day for both Jaffa and Joy(both had lung infections) BUT with Jaffa I gave her point 0.4mls twice a day and Joy point 0.3mls twice a day as in both cases point 0.5mls twice a day seemed a lot to me!

Any suggestions much appreciated! I have also sent links and printed up the pages from GL concerning mushy poops and drugs that can help firm them up, taken them with me but as usual they just ignore me. Thanking any replies in advance.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:23 pm


I forgot to mention in way of diet have tried capsicum-red, green and yellow, swede, parsnip, turnip, parsley, coriander, watercress, broccoli(not too much), rocket to name some and the little minxes won't eat any of it!

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:23 am


If a guinea pig is put onto heart medication how soon before we see an improvement? What antibiotic is best for crackling in the lungs? We want to try Tribressen but vet wants to try Doxy again.

Doxy messed up her tummy so bad we are still trying to get her tummy right again. Jessie was on Tribressan for years with no affect. BUT Jaffa got the mushy poops and stopped eating after 3 days of Tribressan. Baytril is out as all piggies we have tried on it have stopped eating after being on it in a few days.

Please can someone answer my questions. I post to get help! Thanking anyone who answers in advance.

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Sef
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Post   » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:12 am


I think bpatters or Talishan may have already answered your question about heart meds and how long before you might expect to see some improvement; you might look back through this thread and see. I imagine it varies greatly by patient, depending on the severity of the heart condition. I recall bpatters stating that most heart patients are on more than one medication (such as a diuretic), and it can take time to fine-tune the dosages to reach an effective combination.

I don't really have a suggestion on the antibiotic. If the vet thinks there is a heart condition that is causing fluid build-up in the lungs, I'm not sure what an antibiotic can be expected to do.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:16 am


I don't really have a suggestion on the antibiotic. If the vet thinks there is a heart condition that is causing fluid build-up in the lungs, I'm not sure what an antibiotic can be expected to do.
The vet is not sure if problem is the heart or Pneumonia in the lungs. So they are covering both bases. She wanted Joy back onto Doxy but that messed up her tummy so much last time we don't want to use it again!

Mind you when on the Doxy for 5 days twice a day the fluid in lungs cleared up. The vet does not wish to mess with dosage of heart meds which is 1ml of Benazepril once a day HCL 2MG/ML and 0.8mls of FLUSAPEX DROPS 10MG/ML. Joy weighs 780grams-820grams. She has been on them for 3 weeks and there has been no change in her breathing or fluid in her chest.

Thanks for the reply sef1268, will go through this thread tomorrow as nearly midnight here, I want to hand feed Joy and crawl into bed!

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:38 am


Joy has been on Tribressen for 5 days she went to the vet today to see if fluid in abdomen and crackling in lungs had cleared up. Well crackling in lungs has gone but fluid remains.

So for 5 days she will be on Doxy, even if it messes her tummy around. She is also continuing the heart medication. it will depend how she goes as to whether she goes back to the vet. Keep you posted.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:55 am


Forgot to add if fluid doesn't go away vet talking about sticking a needle in her abdomen and getting some fluid and having it tested. Is this safe for a guinea pig? Thanks again.

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Sef
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Post   » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:03 am


I thought the vet suspected fluid in the lungs. What makes the vet think there is fluid in the abdomen?

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:25 pm


When took X-ray saw nothing but fluid. no lungs, no heart, no tummy nothing but fluid!

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Post   » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:38 pm


That does not sound good! I can understand how frustrating this is and how worried you are.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:02 am


I so HATE vets!!!!! Back in June or July took joy to see a so called guinea pig savvy vet. she put her onto 1ml of Benazepril once a day HCL 2MG/ML .

When current vet wrote a new script researched weight dose etc and it seems joy should be getting point 0.1ml. so for months have been over dosing her.

I am so NOT happy!!!!! My poor baby!!!!! I am glad I found this new vet!!!!! My sweet baby! Now you know why I won't trust them!!!!!

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