Piper Med Thread

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:53 pm


I did a quick search, and I don't have a Piper thread, so I thought I'd start one.

I adopted Piper in fall 2017. She was surrendered to the shelter with her three daughters. She was probably around 3-6ish months old. She was about 3/4 her current size. She's been pretty healthy overall, but on 1/17/2021 I noticed blood in her urine. It was only in a few spots, and she had other spots that were normal looking. She had been moved from a 2x4 C&C to a Midwest cage on 1/16/2021. Her cage mate Bambi died a few months ago, and since Piper will be my last pig I decided to downsize. She spent most of 1/16/2021 in her pigloo. I checked on her before bed and she seemed fine. She was up during the night running around (her cage is in my bedroom). The next day she woke me up as she always does around 7:30 with her pouting until she gets her Vit C Oxbow supplement. I didn't notice anything (but I was tired and didn't look close). It was maybe 4 or 5 hours later I noticed the blood in the urine. I watched her closely yesterday (1/17) and I did not see any behavior changes or signs of illness (all urine was normal). I'm going to set her up an appointment to go to the vet this week.

I haven't noticed any calcium deposits, but I do use Carefresh, so it can be harder to notice. I haven't noticed squeaking while urinating. No weight changes. The only thing is I do think her water intake seems lower than when Bambi was alive, but she is still drinking and it hasn't been so low I've been concerned. Also I can never tell if she's drinking or playing with the water. I think she might've been playing more than drinking in the past.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:57 pm


Ah, ignore my comment on your other topic.

If you've read a bunch here, you may have noticed that there have been reports that on rare occasion there can be spotting that is possibly associated with a menstrual cycle.

It sounds like you weigh her regularly? This will help tell you if there might be another medical cause.

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Post   » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:10 am


Do you have any fleece you can put down temporarily to see if there are blood smears or if it truly is in the urine? And also if there are any calcium deposits other than the usual faint white areas?

I think a vet check is a good idea, and hopefully they have some diagnostic equipment they can use to check for stones or bacteria in the urine. If they don't come up with anything, as Lynx mentioned, sometimes it is hormonal. Keep a record of when you noticed this and how long it lasted. If you start to see it repeat every 15 days or so, that's a possibility.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:32 pm


I don't have any fleece. I've tried it in the past, but I find it too hard to clean. I haven't noticed any calcium deposits. But with Carefresh it can be hard to tell. Our regular vet can do an x-ray, but I don't know if they have anything beyond that.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:06 pm


They expressed her urine and said at first it was normal but then they saw blood, and some small stones. They also said she has quite a bit of bacteria in her urine. X-ray was clear though. We’re going on an antibiotic and keeping an eye. I’m just waiting for them to bring her out to my car now so I thought I’d update.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:02 pm


I was just going to give her the antibiotics. She's on SMZ/TMP .7 ml(s), does that sound right? When I looked at the antibiotics info page it said 30mg, but when I looked at ml to mg it said .7 ml would be 700mg.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:09 pm


The dose depends on her weight and the concentration of the SMZ/TMP.
http://www.guinealynx.info/antibiotics.html#bactrim
http://www.guinealynx.info/calculate_dose.html

Sounds like a good choice of antibiotic. I hope it helps!

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:11 am


I haven't seen the blood in her urine since the day I posted. The vet told me she expected that I would see blood in her urine on Friday because they forced the urine out and it would probably inflame her bladder, and not to worry about it. But there was nothing. Then this morning there was blood again. Overall, she seems to be the same. No signs of pain, and she's eating and drinking. She's been on the antibiotic for over 72 hours, so I'd think it would be working if it was a UTI.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:20 pm


I take it the vet ruled out pyometra? (an infection of the uterus)

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:18 pm


I'm not sure. She said their machine for running the urine sample can't calibrate for guinea pigs so they did for a cat, which she said was closest. It didn't show a UTI, but the vet said there was a lot of bacteria in the urine so she assumed a UTI. They also did an x-ray to check for more stones after the few came out when they forced her to urinate. She said they were small, and the x-ray didn't pick up any large stones so she wasn't really worried about that. How would they test for pyometra? Would the antibiotic treatment be different than the SMZ/TMP?

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:42 pm


I am guessing an infection of the uterus (if there was one) would likely require a stronger antibiotic. That antibiotic would be fine for a UTI if that is what it was. I believe the xray would have given some indication there was a uterine infection, if present.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:01 am


And, there is more blood this morning. It's not a lot, but still I'm concerned. Tomorrow is a week since she visited the vet, and a week since we started the antibiotic. I might set her up to go back next week. I'm taking my grandparents to get their Covid-19 vaccines tomorrow, so I'd rather not schedule her tomorrow. I want to be around in case they need help, or feel sick after getting the vaccine.

She still seems fine, no change in her weight or behavior.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:43 am


Sorry to post twice in a row, but it's too late to edit. I just talked to the veterinarian. We're going to try a anti-inflammatory to see if that helps. She said her bladder might just be inflamed. She did mention the stones that came out were brown, not white. The vet said that if it continues she will try to get a stone to send in to a lab for testing, and we can try an ultrasound to see if there is something more happening in the bladder. We're going to give it until Monday.

Has anyone ever dealt with brown stones? What could it be? I've had stone pigs before, and they've shown them to me and they are white. I guess that would explain why I haven't noticed anything in the cage. I know even using Carefresh when I've had pigs with stone issues the calcium can deposit on the bottom of the cage. I've not seen anything like that with her.

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:59 pm


In June Piper had blood in her urine again. Same meds and blood went away. On Saturday morning (July 30th) there was blood again in her urine. We started her on same meds Saturday and no more blood. Has anyone had something similar happen? The meds seem to fix the problem, but it seems to be a recurring problem so I'm not sure if we're just band-aiding something more serious.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:59 pm


I wrote above, "If you've read a bunch here, you may have noticed that there have been reports that on rare occasion there can be spotting that is possibly associated with a menstrual cycle."

Have you been logging the dates? Are they regular?

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:38 pm


It’s been about a month since it happened last time. But it was about 5 months before that.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:50 pm


I cannot say if it could be normal (but rare) or if there is a problem. When you see a small amount of blood, do you give antibiotics right away? Has the bleeding ever gone away on its own in a day or two? Any accompanying signs of illness?

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:59 pm


I've never left it alone to see if it goes away on it's own. Sometimes there can be quite a bit of blood in the cage, and other times it's just a little bit. I do know that the first two times she did have blood pop up a few days after starting the meds. She's not had blood yet in her cage since Saturday morning.

Her behavior never changes. She acts normal and doesn't seem to be in pain. There's no signs of a problem except the blood.

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Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:30 am


Without reading back, does this occur at regular intervals? Could she be one of those rare sows that bleeds during heat?

ClemmyOddieIndy

Post   » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:51 pm


It's only happened three times. It happened in January, June and then last Saturday.

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