Grace's medical thread

Bookfan
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Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:18 pm


Grace has been acting strange this morning. I'm going to pass this off to my daughter since she's the one taking care of Grace:

The same day that her sister Carly died, Grace stopped eating. We took her to the emergency vet, who decided it was GI stasis due to pain from her cystitis. She prescribed half a tablet of Baytril twice a day (22.7mg per tablet), metacam, and .5 ml of metoclopramide twice a day for motility. Yesterday she was slowly getting better, and by the end of the day she was almost normal again, eating and squeaking at me.

This morning she is acting very strange. She is acting unexpectedly aggressive towards her cagemate Emma. She frequently forgets what she's doing in the middle of doing it and just stares into space. Sometimes me petting her will be enough to remind her, and she goes back to normal, but other times she just keeps staring into space. She almost walked straight off the couch while I was holding her, something she's never done before. She's also pacing around the cage without stopping to eat, drink, or sniff anything, and only stops when Emma gets in the way or I stop her.

Could this be an effect of grieving her sister, or could it be an effect of her medications?
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Bookfan
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Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:28 pm


Bookfan again - I assume they didn't have liquid Baytril & that's why they gave her tablets instead.

Husband now with more info:
I just gave her the usual lunch: a slice of green pepper. Usually she attacks it immediately, with gusto. Today she wasn't interested. She just sat with her head stuck in the corner of the cage. Instead of nibbling at the green pepper she nibbled at the little ledge at the base of the cage -- ???

Our daughter picked her up and put her on the couch, with the green pepper. Eventually she started working on it, but she seems to be more interested in tossing it around than in actually eating it.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:44 pm


She's been chewing on the edge of a litter box. Daughter brought her up to give her cc which she's taking pretty well. Chewing on non-food is not normal for her. Neither is being aggressive toward a cagemate - never happened before. Daughter moved her to a different cage for the time being. We may take her to the emergency vet later.

I just put my hand close to her nose so she could sniff me & she nipped me instead. Weird.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:05 pm


Daughter just took her to er vet. We,re lucky they're there but most of their vets aren't small animal vets.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm


3-4 hr wait at er vet. Daughters now think something may be stuck in teeth. That fits with some of her behavior plus she's grinding her teeth. We'll take her into regular vet tomorrow.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:10 pm


Sending positive vibes your way, my friend!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:03 pm


One of the things going on looks to be pain. This could be tied to the aggression and chewing behavior. I see she is getting metacam - don't know if more would help or what the staring into space is about. I hope your vet's treatment helps.

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:11 pm


I was thinking the same thing. Teeth clicking, irritability and lethargy are all signs of being in pain or discomfort. BJ used to sit there clicking his teeth when he was itchy from his mites. He would also bite if you touched his itchy spot.

Bookfan
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Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:19 pm


All of the weird behavior stopped late afternoon. All of it. Yeah, pain/discomfort would work as an explanation for some of the behaviors. I don't get her pacing around the perimeter of the cage over & over (with Emma close on her tail & Grace paying no attention to her). Husband just said before she was doing that she was making small circles near the water bottle - both clockwise fwiw. Did not notice any head tilt.

Bookfan
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Post   » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:55 pm


She's eating but still doesn't move around very much and "stares off into space" sometimes.

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Sef
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Post   » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:56 am


That is very strange. Definitely thinking pain, here, as those are all classic signs. Do you know her weight and how much Metacam she's on? I'm sorry if I missed it, but did they do x-rays? I also wonder if at least some of it could be tied to the passing of her sister. The timing is interesting. :(

Bookfan
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Post   » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:57 am


She weighs 1lb 13oz after losing 3 oz since Carly died Fri. night. Loosing weight's been an issue with her for a long time. Metacam ongoing: .15ml/ cc. ER vet sent her home with 22.7 baytril tab which has to be halved,crushed & mixed with water. 1st sign of a problem on Friday was she wouldn't eat her lettuce at dinner. Later at the er vet all they did was examine her & do a urinalysis which was ok, no x-ray.

Daughter is also wondering about grief playing into the situation. This morning she wouldn't eat hay in the cage but would eat hay in a litter box that probably still has Carly's scent. We've seen pigs act depressed after the loss of a cage mate, but the ones that have another cage mate left seemed to transition better & Grace still has Emma (new last Dec.). Of course, Carly & Grace were sisters & had been together all their lives.

Bookfan
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Post   » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:32 pm


Grace is at the vet being PTS. She has elongated roots & apparently nothing can be done. Reading back to these posts in Oct., it started 2 mos ago. However she hasn't been showing symptoms for several weeks. Last two days she doesn't want to eat anything and has been in stasis since Sat. And for several days she's shown other signs of tooth pain like picking up a pellet & dropping. She's 5 1/2.

My poor daughter has been on a roller coaster with Grace -most of the time because of bladder issues - for a couple of years. And of course when you spend a lot of extra time taking care of a pig for health reasons, an intense bond forms. When Gracie squeeked it was clear that it was daughter #1 she wanted to come down & hold her. Darn. It's always so hard. They are such sweet little animals.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:19 pm


Oh, I am so sorry, Bookfan. I am sure you will give your daughter plenty of hugs. Losing a beloved pet is just so darn hard. Elongated roots are difficult to get under control.

You and your daughter have our sympathy.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:24 am


My sympathy to you and your daughter. I’m sorry to hear about Grace. She had the best of care with you and was so loved.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:43 am


Thanks guys.

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Sef
I dissent.

Post   » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:41 pm


I'm so sorry, Bookfan. I know what your daughter is going through. You and your family have my deepest sympathy.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:25 am


Thanks Sef.

I've been rereading the posts from Oct. and everyone was saying pain. And so it was. I don't know why it took the vets so long to xray her jaw when she had been showing signs of pain associated to teeth. I don't know what can actually be done for elongated roots even if they had dx'd it earlier.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:35 am


Some of the exotic pet websites mention treating elongated roots with filing the teeth so there is less pressure on the teeth when chewing. And offering course hay or safe sticks to wear the teeth down faster. It’s a chronic issue that would have to be treated throughout their lives.

Bookfan
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Post   » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:09 pm


I'd wondered how filing teeth would help. I'd seen it mentioned occasionally.

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