Our girl Cherry has taken ill and has lost some of her appetite

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duskern

Post   » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:19 pm


Thank you Lynx. I will mention your suggestion for our vet as well!

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:26 pm


I believe it's only given orally. It will definitely need a probiotic along with it.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:35 pm


You wrote:
Our vet is convinced that the problem is some kind of bacterial infection that remains in her bone, after removing a rotten lower front tooth way back.
Some interesting results with this search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=antibiotic+im ... ons&ia=web

Can be used to treat bone infections.

Antibiotic Beads
DeCoster, Thomas A. MD; Bozorgnia, Shahram MDAuthor Information
Journal of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons: November 2008 - Volume 16 - Issue 11 - p 674-678
https://journals.lww.com/jaaos/fulltext ... ads.8.aspx

This article provides some of the pros and cons and discusses when their use can be successful (in humans).

duskern

Post   » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:20 am


Regarding the Chlor Palm. You mentioned that you have used it Bookfan. Was this also orally?

Thx for the links Lynx! It's so nice of you all to help. It's really nice to have something concrete to show to the vet. Denmark is a small country, so unfortunately the research and experience in dealing with some of the more rare cases is simply not present /:

duskern

Post   » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:51 am


Also another thing. Do you know how long time a treatment with Chlor Palm takes? I suppose it would vary. I'm going to the vet tomorrow to have her checked, so I will have a talk with the vet about your proposals.

Bookfan
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Post   » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:02 pm


It's been a while but I think it was oral.

Here are links to my posts relating to chlor:
https://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewt ... l#p2282165

https://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewt ... l#p1542384

duskern

Post   » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:15 am


I just came back from the vet. Everything was ok today, but the problem still persists. I presented our vet with your ideas, but unfortunately both Chlor Palm and antibiotic beads are not something we can use in Denmark. I'm not really sure why, but I think she said that there was a legal issue of some sort with both. Chlor Palm is apparently not something they can get a hold of, since it's only legal for human use. Still, thx for the links Bookfan!

Right now we are keeping her ok by doing manual cleaning of her wound, and trying to get as much pus out of there as we can, while giving her 0.15 ml of Loxicom morning and night + 1 ml of Fibreplex twice a day. As Baytril is not really having any effect, our vet had us stop giving it to her. She had a really bad day yesterday, where she didn't want to eat by herself until late at night for some reason. We were afraid that it had something to do with pus being trapped inside the wound, in a lower level of skin where we weren't able to get it out, but the vet didn't think so. She said it was most likely because of recently stopping with the Baytril, that might have an effect on her. Thankfully she is eating just fine today, at least right now.

So, we have to figure out what else we can try. It would be such a shame to have to give her up after fighting for her life for so long, and also because she's not that old, only 3 years. She is also normally pretty good at eating and keeping her weight, so there's no immediate danger. When she's ok, she's just a normal guinea pig enjoying her life, so it's not like she's ill all the time and not feeling well.

I'm a bit down after our vet dismissed both ideas, as Chlor Palm just seemed like the perfect thing to try. I don't want to give up on Cherry just yet, so if you guys have some other ideas, I would love to hear them <3

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Post   » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:53 am


The antibiotic beads are something that can be made by a vet using a suitable product and adding an antibiotic like penicillin - which, if given orally, would cause serious issues but disseminated via these beads is tolerated and can treat these issues. On the sidebar of one of the links I gave is a series of 4 videos showing how one can make the antibiotic impregnated beads.

https://journals.lww.com/jaaos/pages/vi ... videoId=34
https://journals.lww.com/jaaos/pages/vi ... videoId=35
https://journals.lww.com/jaaos/pages/vi ... videoId=36
https://journals.lww.com/jaaos/pages/vi ... videoId=37

So she recognizes Chlor Palm as choramphenicol? Chlor Palm is a brand, not the generic name of the drug.

See if you can find out what antibiotics are used in the veterinary field there.

duskern

Post   » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:37 pm


Thx Lynx. Will try asking her again. I don't know if there's any laws or something preventing her from trying the beads. I don't think I asked her specific about Chlor Palm, but mentioned chloramphenicol palmitate. I can try to ask her what they have available.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:00 pm


It is better you asked about chloramphenicol palmitate. I would not bring up the brand since you asked the correct question concerning the generic. You could ask if it is used by any veterinarians at all. Many drugs are considered "off label" because testing and dosing has not been done by the manufacturer on all species that they want it listed for. It is other types of scientific studies that try to show the efficiency of a drug for particular illnesses in individual species.

duskern

Post   » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:18 am


I just had a quick chat with our vet. The typical types of antibiotics they have available in Denmark are these:
  • Fluoroquinolon
  • Doxycyclin
  • Azithromycin
I have sent her the links you posted Lynx, regarding antibiotic beads. I also asked her about the chloramphenicol palmitate as a type of antibiotic, and she told me that the exact type of antibiotic is totally unavailable for vets in Denmark, and that they are not able to get it.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:10 am


I believe antibiotics like penicillin are the kind of antibiotics often used in the beads. Normally administering penicillin would be extremely risky (it is one of the dangerous meds). When not ingested, it is less dangerous.

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